My Grad Assistant, Bryan Fasola, and I confronted this question with the Antonio Jose Sonata. My version is the Gilardino, which contains a facsimile of the early manuscript. His version was the Iznaola, which contains the facsimile of the manuscript that was worked on for the first performance, with lots of supplementary markings, which can be assumed were added in sessions between performer and composer. We debated this for several weeks, and went back and forth, trying to find some clue as to which should be presented. What we found, as disappointing as this may sound, is that there was no clear answer. Most of the differences were minor (bass notes, accidentals), so ultimately Bryan decided to go with the performing version, as he liked the idea of the two forces (performer and composer) coming together for the performance, and there is enough evidence in the manuscripts to suggest that this was the case.
With Romantica, however, the differences are dramatic, and there is no intermediary step between manuscript and published version that would give any account of how Ponce and Segovia conceived of the changes. It is clear from the letters from Segovia to Ponce that Segovia was with Ponce in September 1928 when Ponce first played it for him (assumedly on piano) and it is possible they discussed changes then. This meeting also clears up why the 4th movement is not with the other 3 in the manuscript source. It wasn't written yet, and Segovia pesters Ponce for the movement over several letters after this. They do discuss changes in these letters, but they pertain to the 4th movement.
The changes that occur in the opening movement lack any documentation, so the performer is left wondering which version to play. At best, the published version represents the collaboration between composer and performer,..at worst, it is Segovia's changes without Ponce's involvement. To clarify "at worst"..if the changes constituted some octave displacement, articulation changes and thinning of textures ("dropping notes"...we all do it!!) then the discussion in my head would not be so contentious. The manuscript, however, presents an entirely different musical dialogue in the 1st movement development than the published edition. I even have searched for anecdotal evidence...you know the stories we've all heard.."My teacher says his friend saw the Villa-Lobos 6th Prelude before it was lost" or "Britten told Bream he preferred the the sixteenth note ossia in the 'Gently Rocking' movement of the Nocturnal" (Seriously though...if any one can steer me to evidence of this last point, I'd be greatly appreciative)
So...what do I decide? Do I perform the composer's original intentions, or what one can assume are the changes he wanted for the final edition? In the end, I've reconciled myself to the fact that this question is not answerable. What I have decided is that I quite like the manuscript version of the 1st movement. There is a harmonic richness and a pleasing arc to it. It has that piano-like texture that guitarists often encounter when working with a a non-guitarist composer.
Ultimately, the choice has to be based on music. Were the music unplayable and poor, then there wouldn't be a blog post about it. Students and professionals always have to make choices, and it is best to use all the tools available to us - research, intuition, and most importantly, our musical intelligence. This is in reference to all aspects of our practice, whether it is phrasing a line, sifting through manuscripts or writing our own pieces. The types of questions I asked myself with regards to this movement have become part of my story with the music and is an important part of the relationship I will have with it.
Next post, I'll talk about the certain musical challenges one faces when reinterprets a work which is already in our ear from recordings, concerts, and previous learning attempts. Do we reconcile, wipe the slate clean, or assimilate these influences? When interpreting a piece whose musical material remains the same in all versions, this can be difficult, but when doing this to a standard rep piece with new music it can really test your assumptions? Keep practicing.
ALSO...if you took a week or so off for the holidays..DON'T jump back in to a 5 hour practice regimen. Ease yourself into it by increments, like training for an 8 mile run. Don't assume you can do it if you haven't run in several months. Build up to it.
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I'd like to hear you discuss editing and changing a piece to make stuff work. We all do it, but I get the feeling that may players think no one does it.
ReplyDeletePhilip Hii talks pretty openly about it in his "art of virtuosity" book. I tell my students about it if they need it.
I just want to hear more about this:
"Students and professionals always have to make choices, and it is best to use all the tools available to us - research, intuition, and most importantly, our musical intelligence."
and how you approach editing. Sounds interesting!
The term "original intentions" is problematic. The changes could be Segovia's, but they could also be Ponce's, as you say. Perhaps Ponce just spent some time with the original version and decided he just didn't like it. If they were his changes, he might have intended for the earlier version to never get out into the world.
ReplyDeleteComposers can make mistakes, too. Probably no composer, writing for the guitar, "originally intends" for the music to be unplayable, although it can turn out that way because of their unfamiliarity with the instrument.
So, I don't like the way the term gets used so authoritatively all the time when most of the time there's not really any way to know if it's true or not. I think you're right that you just have to use your best judgement and choose the version that moves you.
The Segovia repertoire will always raise these questions I'm afraid. Not because it's Segovia, but because we can't really ask the composer's opinion anymore. Last year I recorded a cd with 'studies' on it. That also raises another question: what is the purpose of an etude, study,..? It may seem obvious at first, but during my entire education I always discovered new things, in those 'standard' etudes that everyone plays, after re-studying them again after so many years. (especially if you teach them to your students and need to explain everything from your point of view).
ReplyDeleteThat's why back then I preferred to work with composers who are still among us. Which helped me more then I could ever imagine. I recommend this to every serious student to do so, even if you think you will not have a change to get your words heard, you'll be surprised! To my biggest surprise, they were all very aware of this problem, but still a lot of etudes are published with no explanation however...
It would be nice of the composers to have a section on their website to tell something more about the music: their inspiration, writing techniques, purpose, analyzing,..
It striked me that I run into this article (thx to Christopher's blog), and read about ponce's manuscripts. I happened to start working / studying on the sonatina medirional by Ponce, and got frustrated about all the differences that Segovia made. I'm not going to discuss that here, since Steve already did that.
Just wanted to add, that the manuscripts of Ponce's work has been accessible to anyone today, and to my surprise a lot of young professional concert / competition players still seem to study the
Segovia edition. It's a choice you make of course, but it also made me wonder how many of those players actually go back to the source.
The next step I thought of, true or not, that's not up to me to aknowledge that, but
if you look at youtube recordings of those 'standard' piece, almost EVERYONE plays
the segovia editions in exactly the same way, maybe two or three different fingerings,
but that's it. Personally I think it raises questions about how these people study
for their competitions / concerts.
Again, it's a choice, but I like to compare that with the pancake powder
you can buy in the supermarket, or buy every ingredient separately and start experimenting with the proportions to finally get it the way that is typically 'your' pancake.
I'm not saying that an edition does mean that you don't have any musical options left either...
Nice blog. Taking practice breaks. One of the most underrated aspects of practicing is the time when you aren’t practicing at all. That’s why it’s really important to take one off from practicing each week.
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